A Muslim majority will one day impose sharia law in Britain, the US and much of western Europe, according to radical cleric Anjem Choudary.
Muslims will dominate the West and impose a return to the harsh moral code of the 13th century Arabian caliphate, Choudary told the US network CBN News. The interview has just emerged on a rightwing website, which has published the interview for the first time in the UK.
The interview was recorded shortly after Choudary's Sharia4UK group was banned by Whitehall.
"Innevitably, I'm convinced, I'm 100% certain that the sharia will be implemented in America and in Britain one day," said the preacher, who had been linked to Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebolawe, the two suspects in the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich.
"If we have enough authority and power, we are obliged as Muslims to take the power away from the people who have it, and implement sharia law."
Choudary, who trained as a solicitor, founded the al-Muhajiroun extremist group with the militant leader Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad. That group was banned in 2004, but has re-emerged under different names and in various guises.
Choudhary continued: "If people are afraid of having their hands cut, don't steal. If you don't want to be stoned to death, don't commit adultery.
"It seems to me that people want all the vices, and want to get away with them as well. But it doesn't work like that."
Choudary told the US network's correspondent in London that Sharia4UK had given birth to Sharia4America, Sharia4Holland and Sharia4Belgium.
"We have the Sharia4America project, where we put down what we consider to be an alternative to liberal democracy, freedom and the kind of life people lead in America," he said.
"Ultimately, the Americans will be defeated. They're going to be defeated back home, they will be defeated militarily, and they're not going to get the resources.
"They will go from the recession into a complete downfall."
British security services continue to monitor Choudary along with many of his UK associates.
"Britain is double haram [forbidden] because they are anathema to God's law," said Choudary. "They're not implementing it. They are violating its sanctity and therefore this is war against Allah and his messanger.
"We are not actually allowed to fight them here at the current time. At the moment we are propagating Islam peacefully, but if they attack us we have a right to defend ourselves."